Concept:

The K1 /K2 concept is more than just arrive and drive on raceday. Drivers are expected to do track time with their assigned karts and in the process learn by communicating with the mechanics on the performance of that kart. Simply contact AP or Ah Cheong a day earlier about your intention to test / practice and buy a 5 sessions 100cc voucher at a special rate of RM250 (show your my-kart ID). The 5 session voucher for K1 kart is RM450 for my-kart members only.

Anyone need wan my help to set-up/tuNE yr kart juz inform me.
the fee is Nasi AYam kampung OnLY..

since the elders have spoken, i shall keep mine as short as possible,

1. K1/K2 concept of exclusivity is an excellent idea. The problem for K2 is that, it is NOT that exclusive as kart changes every round (for me).. they change the numbers, the change the chasis, they change new tyres, etc, etc.

2. Excellent point brought up by sifoo. no wonder he is the sifoo . its about STANDARDIZATION of the BASE set up. Variance of 1-2 secs is acceptable, but not more than that.

(I wanna say more, but im not old enuff huhu)

The Tribal elders have spoken....

Testing your own kart to make it more personalised is good idea and we private karters do the same......and hence my lonely ( at times ) practise days over the years.

I guess this ok to an extend as these are those who are looking to IMPROVE the BASE set-up.

The issue, as I see it is some are complaining on the vast levels of this BASE. Some karts are 1:01 quality and some 1:05 and hence this is the debate. Its NOT about customisation but one of STANDARDISATION.

Without taking sides, it is easy for those who has a good base kart and dun need to spend $$$ to even get the kart on par. Those not so lucky will have to do practises( and I encourage it ) but at times, they dunno what's the issue, have no idea how to improve (if at all possible) and their driving not consistent enough to do this.....

My-kart Commitee, IMHO - should help enforce this STANDARDISATION ( at least at season start, since DETERIORATION is harder to predict ) as otherwise, the karters will simply lose interest on the K1, K2 concept - which is an excellent formula.

Ah, well - the debate continues! ( pls move this reply to relevant thread if it's incorrect...apologies n thanks )

perhaps you'd like to post a reference article (book page) at our reference manual.... http://club.my-kart.org/node/382

Folks,
The reality is this :

This debate will see no end cos no two karts will be exactly equal in performance and no two drivers will have exactly same level of driving skill and competence. Even buying your own kart or car and setting it up to your satisfaction will not ensure you of finishing at the top. So the debate continues.....

Concept:

The K1 /K2 concept is more than just arrive and drive on raceday. Drivers are expected to do track time with their assigned karts and in the process learn by communicating with the mechanics on the performance of that kart. Simply contact AP or Ah Cheong a day earlier about your intention to test / practice and buy a 5 sessions 100cc voucher at a special rate of RM250 (show your my-kart ID). The 5 session voucher for K1 kart is RM450 for my-kart members only.

...sorry, wrong thread.

I think U hv to test it by yourself, no point if u complaint it to the mechanic,..they will always says all the karts are ok...tested, tuning correctly...etc...etc....at last, U are the one who suffer in the track..sometimes, its really sickening!!

I agree with Jules.

You will need someone who you can trust to test the karts. Before we can find the my-kart Stig, AP has allow drivers from the K1 or K2 series to test their own kart only upon appointment.

If you only test 3 laps, it's free.
If you test more than 3 laps, you will be charge. How they charge.. you will have to talk to AP directly. Or maybe Naza, you have the price?

At the moment, I reckon there is no other better test driver than yourself. You drive the kart to compete in races, then I think you should be responsible and take the effort to go to CK, make an appointment, test the kart, give feedback to the mechanics, and test it till the kart is up to your personal standard. If you cannot do that, then you will have to trust the person who are testing and talking to the mechanics for you all the time before each my-kart round.

Thank you.. thank you.
It's not abt winning or loosing.. I can get no.... staisfaction..ne ne ne!

Cheers

Rizal,

Thanks for your insight.

Yes, your example of some drivers are good DEVELOPMENT driver versus good RACING drivers ( where they adapt to anything to drive it fast but dunno how to give engineer feedback to improve the car ) are valid in real racing. Schumacher is the rare breed which had both talents.

Due to your great speed in responding - I must say you have quoted my slightly outdated passage with mistakes n all....sorry. For the more accurate and correct, version, please read my ori input.

Cheerio.

Sifoo,
I totally agree with you.

I guess the evolution of a race driver will resort to such "responsibility". Most of us start racing because of the fun of it, only to realize that we are talented in performing what is required at high speeds. Then we compete to actually gauge how good we are against other talents.

For some of the better drivers, they will start to pay attention to the mechanics of racing, ie. racing lines, driving techniques, tyre pressure, kart set up, engine performance, bla bla bla.. and then comes the finer drivers who is able to do what you mentioned, to be consistent and be able to give necessary feedbacks for further improvements.

I agree, not many of us will graduate to this level. Even not all F1 drivers are able to "reach" this stage ala Schumacher, Vestapen, Trulli, Heidfield, etc.

Moving forward, may be the MyKart committee would embark in identifying these sort of talents as well. The younger ones would progress to racing in more recognized and competitive levels; the not so young would sharpen their driving skills; while the seasoned ones would resort to these responsibilities and management roles (quoting Fazz huhu!). So yes.. testing is not for fun, but its a responsibility.

Rizal,

I think not many drivers can hoop in and do 1lap warm up and 1lap qualifier unless you have plenty driving experience.

Also, your test driver must be to 0.2 second consistent to really achieve anything meaningful.

In addition and MOST IMPORTANT of all - the mechanics must trust this guy's judgement and verdict.

The driver who I have in mind to do this is Ng Wai Leong - but maybe he is too busy. Alternatively, its Ah Boy or Ah Meow but then you may not trust them...

Suggest you duscuss internally, even seek AP and CK opinion before deciding.

So unless u can find this "STIG", and make him the official tester for a duration ( to allow him to set a benchmark of the karts standard aslo ) - its difficult to achieve what you want here. He should be asked to test 6 karts at one go and rate each one, on what's good, what's bad and what CAN BE IMPORVED. If he cannot do this, please apppoint someone else as he will do more harm than good.

Testing is a responsibility, not for fun - if I have to remind those wannabe test drivers. If you give a poor review, you better stand up for it! ( even from AP and CKE )

I concur with RawFlesh.. may be some K1 drivers can test and select the 100cc karts, to be fair.

I concur with Abg Ajak, we pay good money to be happy and enjoy our outing. Win or lose is part of the game, but being satisfied is something everyone can enjoy.

wat say the committee?

Pls do the best for everybody's satisfactions.
win or loose, it doesn't matter, the most important, to be happy with the karts. Am I right guys?

To make it fair, only those not racing in the 100cc should test the karts

just testing. 1-inlap, 1-flying lap, 1-outlap per kart. then we look at the laptime to ensure its within, may be 1 or 2 secs, of each other.

testing or practice????

Oh..yes...1001% agreed with the suggestions by testing the karts.

OIC.... opps.... why did dey swap the numbers around? i thought it was only s'pose to be used for mykart races?

Yea, can we please have someone on the committee/volunteer to try out all the karts available for the Ironman to ensure that they are consistent. I think this should be done early, so that it gives the mechs to repair/fix any of the karts wit problems.

I would hate to have a problem kart for 30min and be 5 second slower...

huhu.. this is an example of inexclusivity.

kart 24 used by razak was NOT the one used by zoggee and stevo. its a "new" kart in the pool with a new chasis. they put in the old number only!

can we get the committee to arrange for kart re-selection? maybe get nizer (or me <-- volunteer) to run some of the 100cc kart to ensure they all perform moreless the same to each other.

are we going to use the same karts for ironman? hmmm camana ni?

THen confirmed kart #24 should be replaced, coz it's been 6mths already, still cannot fix the problems.....

Firstly, congrats to all that participated! Good job guys!

Bro ajak, you got kart #24??? What problems were you having? That was the kart zoggee and I have been using with lots of probs.

alhamdullilah syukuurrrr

You're lucky Bro, co's my kart no 24 was givin me a problem, or else..you know very well.....just a smell...

We are already half way through the season on this exclusive 100cc program. I think it had yielded quite good results in terms of competitiveness and kart consistencies. Although, there are a few things we need to pay attention to.

I think the K2 category is quite competitive. We are only 2 or 3 secs off the pace of the K1s. However, if we look closely at the lap charts, all the K1s are lapping within one sec of each other in 59s and 1mins. The K2s however are really disparate. Earlier in the season, we were pretty close with a group of fast drivers in the 1:01s and a group of slower drivers (or slower karts) in the region of 1:04 and above. But most of the drivers are in 1:02s.

Bt for Rd6, albeit, we only had 10 drivers, each kart were 1 sec slower from each other.. 1:01 - 1:05!! It could be wear and tear bt K1s dont have wear n tear meh?

2ndly on the exclusivity of the karts. Personally, I find it frustrating to have to look for my kart and make sure it has the same number, and to justify whether it is my kart to the committee member. Im not sure if this is an isolated incident, but it has happened to me 3 out of 6 rounds.

The maintenance is another. I thot earlier we were suppose to take care of our tyres and that tyres will be changed aft 2 or 3 rounds consistently for ALL the karts. This is definitely not happening. The kart used by Zoggee and Stevo have had problems for 3 or 4 rounds. Im sure some of the rental karts are faster than theirs. I am not sure if our feedbacks were of any use.

And the lastest incident, I went out on my kart WITHOUT brakes! When I checked, the full travel of the pedal couldnt get the brake pads to even touch the disc.

Moving forward, I would suggest that the committee look closely into the running of the K2 exclusvie program. If all goes well, I think the 100s hv less maintenance compared to the rotax. We should have a more even and competitive season. Exclusivity and maintenance are key. Having some K1 regulars "downgrade" to provide for more consistent competition is also welcomed.

congrats to Nizer, arguably the fastest driver in MyKart huhu!

i am just okay with Rd6. I am please with 2nd place, but there are still a lot to be desired.

Q1 - CK screwed up the karts again, for reasons I am not sure about (will comment later). i got my kart set up and sped for the formation lap only to find out i had NO BRAKES! i quickly went back to pits WITHOUT BRAKES and had to switch off the engine and do circles to stop the kart!

Jumped into kart 18 and joined the formation lap. Did a mistake for waiting at the entrance to the main straight. Couldnt pickup enough speed for the flag off and ended 3rd behind nizer and eddy. I was trying to find my way around eddy for a good 4 or 5 laps, bt the spare kart was not set up to my liking. It was fast but I didnt have the confidence to outbrake eddy before corners-i could only climb up half a kart's length to intimidate but not overtake.

Finally I had to sneak in after the long straight hairpin for a bit of an aggressive move-sorry bro, bt thanks. It was a good fight. Although I would have preferred my regular kart.

Q2 Stuck closely behind Angeline's ass-i mean kart-for the start and trailed for a lap or two. Overtook somewhere while battling with the K1s as they progress up thru the field. Nizer also sneaked pass and I tried to follow. Naza and Zul and SKWong were going thru the field and I had to give way to the faster K1s. Leaving me a far distance from trying to learn a trick or two from Nizer.

Final A Started 3rd on the grid. I was worried about Eu Jin and Razak. Really dont have any answer for the speed they had. On the start, Nizer and Razak were slower to catch up for the formation, but fortunately, Nizer managed to take position before going to the main straight, unlike Razak. This caused the left side to fall out of formation as Nizer and I sped thru the green flag.

The first corner melee resulted in me being 4th. Through out the race, the K1s were making their way pass as I tried haplessly trying to catch up with Nizer who were 1 sec faster. Ended up 2nd to maintain 2nd overall. 4 more rounds to fend off the fast Eu Jin.. really want to finish well this year..

pls post your race report and experience on this thread.